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SilverFoxJams
I'm a writer and free thinker who is determined to help influence major good change to spread! Peace is only possible in the absence of aggression. (I also have done music stuff.)

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LexRodent

Watched.
Made me think about this :
Isn't ironic that this kind of extreme-communism based method of education is being implemented on a country which declare themselves "freedom and democracy defenders" ?
This seems like something taken from the novel "1984".

SilverFoxJams

Slowly, 1984 is becoming a reality. :( Obama is a socialist communist - big time. An evil, evil man!

S3C

Seems a lot of your gripe has more to do with the politics and the scary evil government that drives the education (which is an infinitely deep discussion on its own), and not the common core standards itself. Another important facet to consider is that common core is by no means a curriculum. That is up for the teacher and schools to decide. The amount of tests a teacher includes in their curriculum, is up for the teacher (and their administrators) to decide. Standardized testing existed long before the common core, and the common core implicitly suggests not teaching to a test. In and of itself, do you have any specific disputes regarding implementing the 8 broad, principles of the common core?

The tidbit on math is a misrepresentation of what the common core instills. Math is not just computation. It is problem solving and reasoning, finding patterns, which is necessary for finding solutions in the real world. Common core promotes the latter. It also promotes computational fluency, but that does not develop on it's own. So let's say, a 2nd-4th grader is doing this problem. They do not know about negative numbers yet. So how can they subtract 3 from 7? Do they erroneously switch the numbers around in their minds to make the calculation work? No, they are told to borrow from the 4 (can you tell me why we can do this??), by subtracting 1 from it and augmenting it to the 3 digit in the ones place. And so forth. That's actually quite a bit for a child to follow! It's not any less complex or harder than the so-called "common-core way" (there are no explicit mathematical procedures or algorithms in the common core, rather, like stated above, just a broad set of guidelines) but of course this image conveniently strips down the complexity of the procedure in the first method in attempt to make the second method look like voodoo magic!! which most certainly it is not...it's actual math!! there is no one right way to go about things, there are efficient ways, and ways that encourage an intellectual understanding. A greater intellectual understanding, makes more complicated subjects like fractions, negative numbers, and later algebra easier to grasp (and more enjoyable).

btw I'm a science/math educator, so my opinion is purely from a STEM viewpoint. I haven't considered how much the common core applies to English/History/Language Arts/Social Studies. In general, retrospectively speaking- United States has always been behind in mathematics abilities compared internationally. Often, students are not ready to enter the workforce upon completing education (secondary and postsecondary) so I have no problem with schools striving for higher standards of education. I'm thrilled towards the strides that children and teenagers have made in understanding science and mathematics compared from when I was at school. This is vital in the modern, technology driven world.

SilverFoxJams (Updated )

First of all, I thank you for sharing what you know. It's great to hear from an educator.

To be honest I haven't begun to dig deep enough to get into how the math really works yet (I've yet to intend to), but I do have much of a dispute on how kids are treated less like kids in class.

Why change the math to begin with though? I don't get that at all!

I may not know all the details according to these principles you speak of, but I have an understanding of how alienated the parents feel about being less involved in helping to teach kids something. There's something really not right about that.

If this Rotten Core is so great, then why does that happen?

I'm very concerned about how the government is so disrespectful of family values.

Most people don't know about Anita Hoge by the way, a mother of three from Pennsylvania. A simple complaint about a personality profiling assessment test she was no way informed of had lead to an investigation of a lot of inconsistencies and bending the laws and receiving federal funds and other funds from private organizations that sought to overthrow the U.S. Constitution. This took place in the mid 1980's.

Thanks to Anita, as a kid in school I haven't seen any graphically intense films that featured ducks that were burned alive after a guy poured gasoline and set the area on fire. I never had to conform to a group in any of my classes. I also hadn't noticed any odd questions on any test papers such as this one; "A person is in a large crowd on a street corner. They are protesting about something. Some people throw rocks and start throwing them at windows. I WOULD THROW ROCKS when I knew: (a) there was no chance of getting caught, (b) I agreed with what they were protesting about, or (c) my closest friend decided to throw rocks." (What if the child didn't want to throw rocks? Apparently, there was no question or option for that choice!)

Anita and other angry parents stood up to a level-cabinet government agency, pointed out the suspicious nature of invoices, position papers, working papers, official memos, etc. They won before the case could make it to court and made public. The government did not want this to be made public toward the masses. Why? They didn't want the masses to know of the things they've been doing to kids! SICK things!

Why hadn't the teachers noticed anything wrong with what they were doing in their lesson plans? People called "change agents" had consulted with them, using the Delphi Technique. http://www.vlrc.org/articles/110.html <- This is a very good article that goes over the details about how this technique works.

The public doesn't know about the true story of this brave and gutsy woman who's still fighting against those disgusting people in the government today. I hadn't known about Anita Hoge at all if I hadn't picked up a book published in 1991 by Beverly K. Eakman. Eakman is from Washington D.C. She's had a distinguished career in politics and public affairs. She was also an English teacher. (Her book that I have "Education for the 'New World Order' " is listed here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Eakman#Published_works)

If you don't find that book listed there sometime after this reply, then that means that someone who monitors people's online activity has changed that. I've taken screenshots of the Delphi Technique article, just in case the moniturds decide to edit information on that article.

The government has kept a number of things from the public that have been deceptively dark, that the mainstream media doesn't report about. Why? The media propaganda designed to keep people unaware and distracted, to keep them unaware and feel sheltered - up to the point in which they can't do anything against the aggressors in case a "state of civil emergency" happens. That's *their* way of terming martial law.

S3C

Well, how kids are treated in a classroom is a matter respective to the instructor, not the common core.

The math hasn't changed though! Rather the way we teach students how to think about math and approach problems is being revamped as technology progresses. It's less about memorization and speed, and moreso about gaining intuition; not just reaching an answer- but demonstrating how they got there. Am I saying that multiplication tables, flashcards and the like are bogus?? NO!! But there needs to be more than that.

There likely is going to be a level of discomfort between the parent and child regarding homework if the child is being taught differently than how a parent understands the subject matter but by no means should it lead to alienation regarding a parent and child's educational relationship. The child can still explain the procedure and how they think through the problem to the parent. Explaining the process to others is one of the better ways to actually learn the content. Even if the parents are not steady with the material, adults still need to engage in reasoning and critical thinking in their own lives, and therefore can be helpful in aiding their children to clarifying their own reasoning.

I do know of Anita Hoge...unless you were intentionally going off tangent, the rest of your response is a conflation. It is all interesting, and valid concerns to have, but I do not see how it has to do with common core.

SilverFoxJams

I suppose you may have a point on the math but I'm still overly not pleased for the most part in this drastic change.

Have you noticed or heard of anything disturbing regarding to Common Core English class papers or work papers that contain questions about children's personalities, or private information about their families or beliefs? Anything that seems like an invasion of privacy? Because those things are part of behavioral programming.

Before I go any further into that, I want to ask you a couple of questions. What grade(s) do you teach? If you're a science and math teacher, does that mean you teach physics?

I'm glad you know of Anita Hoge, by the way. If only I could have learned about her sooner - but it's better late than never. It's one of my new reasons why I've come to appreciate on running my own bookstore business.

S3C

No, that seems like a teacher's own mandated curriculum problem. I will agree that in many contexts, such questions like those are invasive and inappropriate.

My background is in biology, so I cover that the most, and secondly math and music. I do physics to a point, but I'm not really all that comfortable with the subject. I'm not a grade school teacher, I'm more of an administrator/instructional designer/tutor. I deal mainly with people from middle school to the (community) college level.

SilverFoxJams

My dad was a college professor first (taught performance arts and Psychology classes), then a high school teacher of many subjects and a curriculum designer of creative writing, and college prep several years later. Now he's retired, at the age of 67.

He's one of the most smartest people I know in my life. A tutor of his was Einstein back in the day! Dad told me he was 7 years old when Einstein died.

He's curious to ask about your experience as a secondary teacher, and administrator/instructional designer/tutor. How many years have you been doing this? He's not asking for credentials. Just information on experience.

S3C

Formally, including service learning, I've been in the education field for about 3.5 years now. That's cool that your dad was a college professor, and received tutelage from the genius himself, even at a young age! Much of my 'spiel' is based around Einstein's proverbs, including my blurb on NewGrounds: "life is not about attaining success, but about creating value". Performing arts huh?? anything in particular like theatre, dance, drama, or music or just performing arts in general?

Nice to hear that you are running a bookstore too.

SilverFoxJams

We wish you good luck in you career.

"Performing arts is not educational theatre", Dad says. "It's teaching how to gain the skills necessary to make a living in theatre arts. That runs the gambit of technical theatre, including light and sound, set design and costuming. Musical theatre which includes dancing and singing. Classical Japanese and Greek."

We could go over this for days, lol.

Dad also taught playwriting as part of the Creative Writing curriculum.

In addition to this, he says, "When my dad would come home, he would bring his work friends (creating peaceful use of nuclear energy), and I had no idea who these people were because he was so young. They were just very good at explaining almost anything... pedagogy."

Yeah. It's not that bad of a job, what I do. :) I'm glad I found a bunch of books concerning on all the stuff I want to research on; the crap that's been happening in this world that the Propaganda Media still "blinds" people from. I used to be one of those people. Not anymore.

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